March 5, 2024
Balancing Financial Coaching with ADHD: Insights, Tools, and Personal Growth on the ADHD Money Talk Journey
Discover the interplay between financial coaching and the unique challenges that come with ADHD as I bare all in a transparent reflection of ADHD Money Talk's journey. Step into the heart of my endeavors where I grapple with balancing the creation of engaging content and the depth of client work, all while evolving my business to meet the diverse financial needs of those with ADHD. As we navigate through the lessons gleaned from two years of coaching, I'll share with you the psychological insights that play a crucial role in managing money and how personalized financial advice varies among clients with different incomes and organizational abilities.
Join us as we revisit the tools that have shaped budgeting advice for those with ADHD, from the early days of the Honeydew app to my current favorites like Monarch and Tiller Money. But it's not all about the tools; it's also about fostering a thriving money mindset. Hear recommendations for resources that can deepen your understanding of the psychology behind money and why it's vital to engage with your finances daily. And if you're a fan of Twenty One Pilots like me, you'll appreciate the nod to their upcoming releases, which hint at the fusion of personal interests with professional insights in this episode.
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00:00 - ADHD Money Talk Update and Reflection
06:30 - Planning Content Updates for ADHD Podcast
14:54 - Maximizing Your Money Mindset
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Today on the show, I ramble for 18 minutes about where I'm at in my journey, what's going on with my business, what's coming next for content.
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I do drop the names of a couple budgeting apps if you want little nuggets of things, and I talk about how I want to revise and refresh the old content I did, how I've learned so much over two years of working with people with ADHD.
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So if you just want to hear me talk as though I'm talking to you directly and just be very random and ramble, then this episode is for you.
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But be warned, it's a ramble, a true, proper ramble.
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Welcome back to ADHD Money Talk, the show that helps dynamic but distracted ADHD brains take back control over their money, to stress less, live a more enriching life, open up new possibilities and get their money in balance with the rest of their life.
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So I've been away from doing content.
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I was trying to do a bunch of YouTube videos, then I was trying to make them also podcasts and then I also just had to keep remembering that I have a lot of clients and I need to be focusing on them, first and foremost because they are my business, and so, naturally, content has slowed down a bit because, at the end of the day let's be real this whole thing started because I wanted to make a living doing this working with people with ADHD, helping them get their money in order and if I'm focusing all my time on content, then I am not focusing on my time on my clients.
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It's not to say I'm not going to be doing content.
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In fact, there is going to come a point where a lot more content will come out.
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It's just right now.
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I'm in a retooling, re-centering, refocusing, re-getting some personal balance back, because I was going a little bit too hard and stressing myself out a little bit too much.
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If I'm being real, I would expect for the next while for content to be pretty inconsistent and maybe come across as not planned.
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Very well, that's just the heads up to you, because I want to be honest and transparent.
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I have no interest in doing anything that is not honest or transparent or trying to pretend like I'm doing something making content that's so great that you should love it, just because it's me or something Like I'm not special.
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So the thing that I do like about recording podcasts is that I find it a bit therapeutic for me personally to be just talking to the camera because it actually helps me, especially when I don't plan it, because then I'm actually letting my thoughts get formed in real time by talking out loud.
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It feels like I'm talking to someone or someone's maybe listening, because I think some people do listen to the show.
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Occasionally when it comes out I don't really know.
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I don't really check the stats of my podcast much.
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I used to do that all the time, but now I'm just so focused on honestly just trying to find a work-life balance and also trying to make sure that I'm creating a business model and a client experience that actually moves the needle for my clients that have ADHD, because my clients might have ADHD of the sort that comes from a place of shaming, guilt and money spending issues.
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Helping that client does look different than helping the client who might make $400,000 doesn't necessarily have money trauma or traumatic money events.
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That has sort of created obstacles.
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That requires a bit more behavioral techniques and stuff.
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Not that I'm doing therapy please don't get me twisted but I do have a therapeutic approach to the way that I work with most of my clients.
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But then there's occasionally the client who makes $400,000 and who has ADHD in a bad way.
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It's just that their problem with money looks different, in fact, a lot different because that would be a case of they still have no idea what their money's going.
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They're still spending too much, but they have money like floating around and too many different accounts.
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Nothing is organized, it's all very chaotic.
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They're definitely not saving enough for the lifestyle, for retirement, in order to maintain the lifestyle that they're currently enjoying.
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So that looks a lot different than the client who's making $150,000, who really needs coaching, a more coaching and almost a therapeutic approach.
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I never cross the line into actual doing therapy because I don't know how to do that, but just talking through potential obstacles and building awareness is about as far as I go.
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But that's important.
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If you can just even make a small connection like oh yeah, this is like what my mom did and I'm just doing what my mom did, or my dad, or just from reading a few books that go into the psychology of money, just having that awareness is such a huge first step.
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That alone sometimes is enough to get you to the point of like.
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Now that I know, besides just the ADHD, why I'm spending so much and why I have so much guilt and shame and whatever, then I can move forward.
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So what I'm really trying to say is that I'm focusing right now mostly on developing and continuing to serve clients in the way that they need to be served, making sure I have different lanes of service a lane for the person who earns a lot of money but just needs organization and has nothing optimized, versus the person who does need a more hand-holding, coaching, gentle approach.
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I want to be doing both, so I'm just working on that.
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I feel like I've gotten a couple of messages because, like my earliest podcast episodes, I'm kind of looking at them now.
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There's, like you know, how to budget when you have ADHD.
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I don't even remember what I said in that, to be honest with you, and I'm one of those people that, like, really doesn't like to hear himself, so I don't enjoy re-listening to, like my old podcasts.
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It's just a thing I don't know.
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It's probably something that I can talk to my therapist about, you know, like having more love for myself or something.
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But regardless, my philosophy has probably changed on how to budget because, just as a backdrop, when I started this podcast and this business, I actually hadn't practiced with any client yet that has ADHD.
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It was essentially a marketing tool to have people find me and be like you know what I would kind of want to check out working with Dave.
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So the very early episodes was, like you know, I was just about to pass my CFP and get my CFP.
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I had lots of technical knowledge.
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I had worked on my money myself for a while and gone things straightened up pretty good, but I was guessing as to what would really work for people with ADHD and I've learned quite a bit since, and so I do think some of these foundational things could use a refresh, like how to budget when you have ADHD.
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Back then I liked this app, honeydew and I reason why I liked Honeydew was because at that time I liked it more, like honestly and I have a new marketing person who I'm working with he would probably be like you shouldn't say these things because it's not good for your brand.
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But whatever, I honestly love radical honesty, like I love radical transparency.
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I love radical honesty, so that's something you'll always get with me.
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But when I recorded the how to budget when you have ADHD episode, from what I remember, I was just getting frustrated with what was, at the time, true bill, and I chose true bill out of probably seeing an ad for it.
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And then I was like I need to find a different one, and I would like my wife to be involved Then a girlfriend, actually and so I looked online for budgeting apps good for couples.
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I found Honeydew.
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I tried it.
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It worked.
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I liked that it was simple.
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I liked that it didn't have too many features.
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It didn't let me go down rapid holes that were just completely pointless.
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It didn't seem like it was trying to sell me loans and different products, so I was like you know what it's working?
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And then I was like it's working.
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I'm going to recommend this one to all of my ADHD followers, so that's why I chose it.
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It wasn't like I tried them all and chose it, so I've since learned a lot.
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I know that there is no one app that's great for ADHD.
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I mean that's absolutely positively the case.
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We all know this.
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It's not like a mystery that one app might work for you, another app might work for another one of you.
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So I could refresh that episode and say you know, this one would be good if you like this.
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This one would be good if you like this.
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I do have my personal favorite and I have the one that I offer free to all my clients.
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But that's partially because that one, a, works really well for me and B, has a program where I can offer it as an advisor and be able to budget with my clients.
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So that's not to say that if, like YNAB, had a service that was just as similar to as the one I use, which is Monarch, then it's very possible that I would be using YNAB and saying YNAB is the best one for ADHD, even though I personally don't like YNAB for me personally, but I love it for my clients that already used it and use it so well.
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In that case it's amazing.
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So, you know, it's just so different for everyone.
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Just to be clear, like, if I were to recommend one now as, like, give this one a shot as a good, as a good one, I would probably say Monarch.
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But if you were like you know what I hate, I just like Excel, then I would say go try Tiller, tiller money, whatever the second word is of that company's name, you know.
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And then I did investing.
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So I was really still like I was.
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Yeah, I did this, I did that, I did all these episodes.
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Sacrifice, sacrifices are huge.
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Yes, I had someone on for ADHD and divorce, at least I think I did.
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I probably have new ideas on that that are more baked in practice with people.
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So I want to kind of refresh some of the old episodes and some of the foundational stuff budget workshop that was the reverse budget.
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I have new ideas on the automation because there's new.
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There's some new softwares out there that really help with automation.
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So the reverse budget I was really using like a direct deposit split, which still is great, it works fine.
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But there's other ways to kind of think about that.
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So I want to refresh that's what I'm trying to say.
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I want to refresh a bunch of these.
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I also realized I went really deep into like the budget workshop was like deep.
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My marketing guy keeps saying I need to be more high funnel, which means focus on big picture, easy to digest stuff.
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Don't give away too much.
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No, no, don't give it away.
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Starting LLC See the problem with me.
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If I'm being totally honest with you and if you're still listening to this ramble, then thank you.
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I don't know it's hard for me to talk about the really simple stuff because I know intellectually that it would be great for most people who like a lot of people who will be listening.
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But I just want to go down rabbit holes and learn something deep all the time, like I want to learn something really interesting and new and try and learn it to the point where I feel confident enough to talk about it.
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So that's where I go into things like coming up with the shopping personas or really trying to ADHDFI the idea of why starting LLC, starting a business, is super good for ADHD or really diving into productive procrastination, or really diving into the science of your brain, like why decisions are so hard, like reading research papers.
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That's where I end up just going when I really I could just be like let me just say the things I already know cold, quickly, for the benefit of my people or the people who listen to this.
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So at the end of the day, what I'm basically saying is that I'm going to have more content coming soon, that's more planned and with the help of a marketing person that makes it so that I just have to sit here and record something that's already been kind of prepared in.
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My input was basically on the idea and maybe some brain dumping, but then it's kind of already formed for me, so I can just both do content and also spend most of my time working with my clients, which is why I'm here and what I do, and that's how I make money for myself and for my clients, though, so I want them to make sure that they're getting the attention that they deserve.
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So that is my update to you.
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So if you were enjoying the regular release of content, just stay tuned.
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There will be more.
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For now, it'll just be random.
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When I get to it, I might do these ramble episodes.
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Know, in the perfect world, I'd have this like master plan and I'd like to.
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I'd have all of everything planned and organized and, like.
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This is the purpose of all this content, it's leads, and, but like I'm so overwhelmed all time with all things, I got to do that like Sometimes I just want to sit down and just talking to the mic and then just share it and be like I feel it's good to share my thoughts with more than just one person.
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That's what I'm doing right now.
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If you have any questions, if you any thoughts, any ideas for Episodes that you'd like me to just sit down and just riff on, I would love to just have episodes, questions, where I can just riff for the podcast.
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You know, I might do some more YouTube things where it's more, you know, youtube oriented, but, like on the podcast, I love riffing.
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Do you like the riffs?
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Do you like it when it seems more planned and organized and structured?
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Do you like the verse relatable, kind of like?
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I like I'm in this with you because I am in this with you.
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Trust me, there is no question about that.
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I still struggle with Especially lifestyle creep.
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You know like it's that.
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Lifestyle creep is a sneaky guy, the cell creep being when you are earning more and then you add things to your life, to your lifestyle.
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The justification for adding things to your life when you're making more money Sneakily, let's just say, with quick and strong Justifications, and before you know it you've added something to your life that you now feel is non-negotiable and you just do not want to do the alternative, which is not instantly gratifying.
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So there's lots of talk about someone should do so.
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I'm just gonna leave it at that.
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Hang in there if you like my content.
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More will come.
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Let me know if you have questions.
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You can go to ADHD money talk calm and hit the ask a question, or you can email me at David at ADHD money talk calm.
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You can voice record a question on the website ADHD money talk calm.
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You can do Instagram.
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Reach out to me and I would love to get a little roster of things talk about Coming up this year and in the future.
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Thank you so much for listening.
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Thank you so much for Focusing on your money.
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Honestly, you should be proud of yourself, or even listening to any content about money.
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Keep listening to other content about money.
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Read some books.
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Read Money Mammoth by Brad Klontz.
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It's a great book to get yourself situated with understanding psychology of money.
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There's so much you can be doing day in, day out.
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Look at your money, look at it all.
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Keep at it, stay aware, stay awesome, stay strong, stay proud, stay alive, stay everything good.
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I said stay alive.
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Big 21 pilots, fan and new content from our new album scumming so, so pretty one by let's, so excited.
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Alright, see ya.
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